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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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Richard hello Devon hello head welcome

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to episode 3427 of the skeptic side

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sounds like that but I think we'll have

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to wait till next century before that

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rolls right back to episode number 225

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200 20-cent off for a minute it feels

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like it feels like there have been so

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many episodes I lost count about six

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years ago did you yeah I did that's

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interesting because it wasn't on six

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years ago all right there could be

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another time zone mustard me on another

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planet there was another day another

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planet in another universe other

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universe but that's a fan massive mean

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this is this gift excise so all that

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listeners can be skeptic about

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everything I've said so far but welcome

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thank you very much and this is yes as I

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was saying to episode 2 27 27 23rd of

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februari 2013 23 februari I never to

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remind me because I was celebrating

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Christmas about three days ago so what

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happened to the last couple of months

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man I don't know I must have been off

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with the Pixies off of the fairies where

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have you been where I've been in the

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Indian at studio working very hard yes

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on on the great musical extravaganza

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which is solar flare yes you've been

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using a little particular editing my lad

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and that's not a bet that was a fake

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clue well it could be a musical

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extravaganza too much of them it might

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even buy not be either a night do you

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know who knows we could only find out

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later you just plenty little seeds yeah

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and it's pretty close to completion oh

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I'm aiming for the end of our now

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realistically probably mid-march midna I

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think there's a lot of that's really

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after considering that i've got it

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actually a bit of work to do whatever as

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well let's a bit much then you're very

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exciting yeah it is so what have we got

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happening in this little zone episode

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zone episode was I mentioned on last

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week's show this a water divining

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challenge coming up in a little town of

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MIT emitter in Victoria is that still

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going cuz I assets we go for a year for

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the meter mustard the mighty meter

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master is their annual Country Fair Raj

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is fantastic you're chopping and kill

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holes in it judging of sheep and the

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last time they had the water divining

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actually 11 years ago oh that's a bit of

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a combat to be to come and I was there

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11 years ago and I made a documentary

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called the mighty minute muster I saw

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that that's on YouTube and so we're

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going back and getting sympathetic

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revisiting so I'm going to be speaking

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to one of the organizers a guy by the

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name of Laurie Smith who's the president

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of the borderline skeptics oh yeah a

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little line takes near the border near

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the border of New South Wales and

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Victoria are gonna be discussing the

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upcoming challenge halls and so as I

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remember last time there were quite a

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few people who put themselves up for the

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challenge and they didn't get very well

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no no whatever but they had good reasons

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why they didn't go a lot of interference

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that we I don't know if we can say look

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forward to but we know is going to

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happen is abusive yeah magnetism

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magnetism rot you use the wrong sort of

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water energy and bad you bad bad energy

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is agentic fields in the Earth's

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magnetic field you're shifting that day

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when sun spots sunspots sunspots that

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sounds most explain everything but no no

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no wonder they don't find the word

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what's all this other stuff going on

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specifics when dried up by the Sun oh

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yeah well it'll be cool because there's

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gonna be 11 years on living you son good

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old water divining after that it's may

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nod back again with it may not spooky

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action talking to Simon Taylor but is

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easy position as well you know what he

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might be my baby but ok well that's

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actually interesting and then it's the

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return of the think tank now I met with

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our appearance again and Joanne been

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amoo and around sungai dr. agee who's a

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regular on the think tank was actually

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when we were recording somewhere between

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who knows where Abu Dhabi and Sydney or

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divides on you as his traveling do you

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went to a conference and I'm sure she'll

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tell us all about da soon so she

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couldn't make that so we had a nice

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little think tank into Iran's house down

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in one of his in the cellar in their

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cellar in that was it a wine cellar

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there's no why there's a lot of widening

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but no wine there's a lot of

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about the lack of wine an interesting

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think tank because we discuss certain

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things to do with anti-vaccination as we

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normally know and and which we all

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talked about in the think tank but I was

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just telling you earlier than them one

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of the things the Australian vaccination

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network have done is that they went a

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few years ago registered lots of domain

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names which sound very similar to

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Australian skeptics like playin skeptics

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bail outs with the case that they've

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made they registered Australian skeptics

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with over the sea org and all these sort

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of things and subsequently vary in the

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last six months or so they've put up a

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website called the real australian

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skeptics or the real estate trying to

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trick people oh that's a big match in

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that and we're actually doing as real

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australian skeptics the same on Ross and

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probably saying that that vaccination is

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really dangerous in there well it is a

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skeptics agree it's it's um it's a

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wonderful wonderful and we didn't have

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to lift a finger they did this all by

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themselves showing the world how

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childish they are first I this is what a

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little kid would do you know how to

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spite or something and also it's it's so

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deceitful it's it's so transfer you as

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suitable it's also a bit fraudulent

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yourself office there are legal things

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that we're looking into but at the

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moment it's like well it's just silly

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looks like being spat on by somebody on

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their way to the DJ or the detention

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center so that gives them a good feeling

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but you know what you know what days of

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them and and they're probably terrible

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at SEO anyway so the no one's gotta find

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the sites I you know what if people do I

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don't think anyone's going to be fooled

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that it's actually us and so because

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they're probably terrible a web design

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as well actually respective vaccinations

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is probably doing the rounds my face on

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that was good showing the fact i said

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like before vaccination yeah me whatever

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polio and here are the numbers now 10

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million and then the other one that we

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these other player just amazing facts

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well I just can't deny I know that

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you're involved with rotary and I'm very

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honored to be speaking for a rotary

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meeting very soon there's Paragon and

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after-dinner speaker you are the

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after-dinner speaker on the first night

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of the rotary district nine 680

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conference in an hour and it sounds

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pretty good and I will certainly be

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making a very strong point about these

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what I've labeled these vandals of

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society hmm Chris rotary's is huge in to

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end up fighting polio earlier

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vaccination that's one that's their big

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thing and actually they've been adapting

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I think Bill Gates has given rotary

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something like 250 million or 300

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million australian dollars as a matching

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grant a rotary has a raised 250 million

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American dollars or whatever it is and

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and so it's like half a billion dollars

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to rid the world of play their mission

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is happening and we still got these

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little leeches annoying is along the way

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Anna and taking up our time and doing

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that and if you want to take it to an

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extreme level you've got people in like

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the crazy countries that are that

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believing that executing people doing

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vaccinations because because really that

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that type of thinking seeps through so

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you start off with a with just some

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local loony saying our vaccinations are

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silly or a dangerous remember you seek

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that that type of thinking through to

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places that have a little bit less

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control of their of their violent

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tendencies that's when you end up you're

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executing doctors and things so I mean

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yes so this is one of the reasons why we

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don't say oh well we've done enough you

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know now we gotta kick out we're working

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well good on you well that goes been

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heavy there is it

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lie down why don't we both go into the

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other room and have a nice cup of tea we

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will do that and let's preview some of

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the things that you're working on this

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secret project shall we oh yes we can do

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that I'll push a few buttons you see but

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my server software that does a few

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certain media type things while we're

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doing that yes will it everybody listen

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and joining me on the line now all the

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way from beautiful millimeter in

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Victoria is Laurie Smith hello Laurie

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hello Richard good to talk with you now

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you know my memory is cast back whenever

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I speak to you my memory is cast back to

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11 years ago 2002 when I traveled to

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meet a metaphor the mighty mirror master

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and the last big water divining event

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held by stone skeptics and of course you

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were there too I wasn't it dad Richard

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alongside yourself and a lot of the big

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skeptics rediff on top we did have a

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good time it was a great day out and it

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was very intense i remember as lot to do

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a lot to organize but i think the day

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came off very well and of course it's

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now it lives forever and so do we as

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younger people in the the video of the

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mighty med a master yes it's quite

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frightening to look at our former selves

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and that in that video frightening yes i

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we have an age today we have an aged a

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day now of course i can't remember how

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many diviners we had turn up for that

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15 a mic you might know better than I I

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found her record is he for one a 30 did

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you mail a beer ad which made up the

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largest of owning challenge worldwide I

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was it was a full day and lots of the

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targets I think from memory the the

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highest score of the day was 13 which is

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hardly outside the realms of possibility

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of scans and probably came up with that

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number ourselves we probably good so

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this year down at MIT emitter on the if

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i'm not wrong the tenth of march that's

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when the test is that's right 10th the

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march we hopefully will have lots of

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water diviners descend upon us and there

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is lots of money up for grabs i think

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it's a hundred and ten thousand dollars

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that's right the standard

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hundred-thousand-dollar escrow

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australian skeptics prize for which this

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will be a qualifying round and one of

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our local skeptics mr. Russell Kelly is

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putting in ten thousand dollars of his

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own

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money under there to take on to the same

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promise if anybody qualifiers they'll be

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eligible to repeat the challenge for the

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hundred and ten thousand as one thing

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too important to remind everybody and if

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there are any water Divine's out there

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considering going down the tests are

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designed so a true water diviner could

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easily pass is that not right well

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that's Rock Richard and since the last

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test we've had input from water divide

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ins to try and make the test as fair as

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possible because you and I was good

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skeptics know that nothing would delight

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us more than if one of the diviners does

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come up to the challenge and we get to

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pay at the money because then we'll have

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some new science to investigate we will

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indeed and it's it's also vitally

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important that these tests aren't rigged

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or cheated by by either side in any way

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they have to be an absolutely fair

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dinkum test of the water divining skill

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if it exists at all and if it does exist

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then this test is the designed for it to

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be a piece of cake anyone with water

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divining skills should just be able to

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rock up and just just blitz it well

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that's quite right and as I said the we

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have had input from water designers the

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last time they were worried that the

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water samples we took might be style so

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this time we're taking chemical

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chemically free pure water in the middle

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river just priors for the test and we're

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even looking at the sand one of our

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dividers has told us that he is worried

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if the wrong sort of minerals is in the

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sand so we're going to try and source

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the purists hand and we're also going to

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have a sample of the water and a sample

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of the sand uncovered the for each test

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so the diviners can calibrate their

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instruments to make sure that these

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samples are working correctly I think

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it's very important to remember that and

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I took pain last time I was at pains to

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make sure I film that process that there

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are on the day there will be a sample

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bottle of the water and a sample bottle

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of the sand for all to see so each

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diviner can double check there

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divining in their reading and their

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calibrations before they go on to the

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test that's right everybody a favor

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ample opportunity and can repeat the

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calibration anytime they want now water

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divining is of course one of the reasons

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Australian skeptics got started way back

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in about nineteen eighty nineteen

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eighty-one when Dick Smith and James

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Randi held a huge water divining test in

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sydney and every roughly every ten years

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give or take since then we've had a

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major test so i'm very pleased that

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eleven years passed the last major test

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we're going to have another one and who

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knows maybe in another 10 years we might

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even have another one and here's hoping

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we find someone who does has the gift

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this time but no matter what it'll be a

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great social occasion for both the

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diviners and ourselves it'll be a nice

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coming together at the skeptics from all

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points of the campus that'll be a jolly

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good weekend we'll touch base and have a

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good time well that's one of my

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strongest memories of course from the

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last last 111 years ago what a great

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time we had had a big barbecue and then

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we were chatting and having a just a

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good time together and then we went and

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tested all these water diviners so it

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was it was doubly good and the offer is

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there the invitation is wide open Lori

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for all water diviners to come two

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millimeter how can they find out more

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information well what a divine is

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whether they very professional amateurs

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or just someone chief seminary feels

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they may have the gift if they could get

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on to me and my email is Callaghan as

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one they'll still that see a double ill

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AG haan s1 @ gmail.com or they can phone

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me on 0 to 60 70 two three four one time

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for 15 and I better get in quickly

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before all the spots fill up because

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we'll only have enough spots for about

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20 or so diviners because this time we

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go to offer multiple tests if they want

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us for each designer again giving them

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every possible opportunity to show to us

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and to show to science in general that

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such as

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skill exists so everybody there's the

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word if you live in Victoria if you live

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in New South Wales head to MIT emitter

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on the weekend of the the ninth and the

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tenth of March the my team in a muster

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is a wonderful country fair regardless

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and you can have fun with us and the

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water diviners oh and I'd like to

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mention Richard also if the people have

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internet access of course if they could

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just go to www MIT emitter calm and

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they'll come up with the myth emitter

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web page and just click on the water

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divining tab and it's got all the

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details about the water divining

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challenge great fun Lori great fun I'll

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be traveling down a few days before to

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catch up with you and have a good time I

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can't wait to see you and I can't wait

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for the challenge let the challenge

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begin and we look forward to seeing you

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and all that gets for that weekend

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Richard will let the font on thanks Lori

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look I'm here with Simon Taylor and look

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last time we spoke to you doing a gig

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for the atheists at the newcastle

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university i was that's been quite a

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while now was an eight year and a half I

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think yes something like that and now

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you're working a group of people here

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that are debunkers their skeptic

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schnauzer and anathema to comedy I'm not

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sure I think what it is is that we've

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got an eclectic bunch from different

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parts of the world basically and we've

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got different parts of Australia so I

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think there's there's general challenges

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with a with with comedy in that sense

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anyway so I think them all being

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skeptical means they know that the same

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references so that helps a little there

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you are melbourne-based and you've done

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some great stuff around town when those

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festivals on with posters and things

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like that involving that with your

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website explain where your niche is in

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Melbourne comedy literature poetry scene

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well I guess a a gag writer is what I do

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most of the time now I'm actually

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writing for The Tonight Show with Jay

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Leno so that's kind of a thing that

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happened in the last six months so my my

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days is big my day is filled with

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writing jokes topical jokes news jokes

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and then nights I go out and I do

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stand-up about things I care about like

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like social issues and that can include

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skepticism that can include gender

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issues that can include morality and and

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then science so I get to in my voice

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talk about what I want but also apply my

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skill to helping right for other people

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and of course how did jay leno find out

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about you and how it must be great right

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you had you can ride gigs and things for

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lost lost but i don't happen to be there

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that's great yeah yeah it was a

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Hollywood story really I went over there

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because I ride for people generally

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people like my style of riding and I had

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someone who saw me a Comedy Festival a

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few years back and to come to LA and

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write for me so I went over for a couple

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of weeks to write for this guy and I did

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some gigs and a producer from The

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Tonight Show saw me do these gigs and

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then he said come to the show then I met

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Jay and then I made Jay laughs and then

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Jay said send some jokes in and the next

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day I send some jokes and next day I had

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a contracts it was all very Hollywood

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dream story and it happened rapidly and

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I didn't plan or expect any of it but

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truly congratulations to you because

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I've been hearing about

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you for a while and you've got a very

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unique style and I think it's very

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deserve it I know it sounds like such a

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suck-up but is it is great because you

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see you see the lamest comedians in this

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country just having a longevity of a

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career and you go them again and then

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you come on the scene doing something

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fresh and you are recognized within your

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own lifetime that's fine it is great now

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what is the thing that makes you burn

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every comic has the the thing that the

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the section of their routine where

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they're really on the money now what is

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the sex of your routine and what is it

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about that you go yes i'm in the home

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stretch i think i think there's just

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sort of i like the idea of cutting

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through the [\h__\h] i think a lot of

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comedians do that but for me it's it's

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generally about being the person that I

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am I don't like stereotypes so I don't

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like men versus women humor and you'll

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see in my comedy it's kind of the

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antithesis of pigeon holing and that

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must've new you because basically most

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commercial radio in the world is based

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on that not just commercial radio but

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television as well as just like hey

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ladies don't you hate it when men do

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they say men don't you think it you know

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y women take too long to get ready that

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sort of stuff i guess i guess parlor is

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you know hate it is because it is a

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little easy possibly maybe I mean I know

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certainly when you you have to write for

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a broad audiences you have to find the

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easy drugs and what make people laugh

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but I think there's also a way to

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acknowledge that people are diverse and

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I think stereotypes lead to assumptions

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and assumptions lead to lack of thought

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and that comes back to skepticism so

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that I think it's still applying skeptic

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tools to other fields in in in social

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issues now can we sue perhaps on the

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screen in the US at some stage I mean

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and by the way it's writing when you're

539
00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:07,990
actually over in LA I boxed off a little

540
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room with like a packed lunch and give

541
00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:11,920
it a newspaper how does it work I mean

542
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:12,910
because you know there's a certain image

543
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:14,770
we have in our mind and release writers

544
00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:15,760
you know that mainly because I'm

545
00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:17,110
thinking of the Roseanne show period

546
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:18,310
which had all that argument with the

547
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:19,930
riders for that show no I'll give you a

548
00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:21,970
new stereotype the stereotype is in a

549
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:25,960
cafe with you know I probably a soy chai

550
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:28,090
latte on it's something that's a not too

551
00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:30,730
caffeinated with a macbook that's the

552
00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:32,440
writer now so because we've got the

553
00:22:34,690 --> 00:22:33,790
internet we don't actually have to be

554
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:34,700
you know

555
00:22:39,370 --> 00:22:36,370
in in a closed little box room I

556
00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:39,380
generally cafe flounce I call it some

557
00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:41,870
people pub crawl like cafe flowers and

558
00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:43,910
what you wear usually hang on against

559
00:22:47,380 --> 00:22:45,140
the trade secret but what's the first

560
00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:47,390
website you go to to get inspiration to

561
00:22:52,510 --> 00:22:50,990
write the comedy oh look to be honest I

562
00:22:54,010 --> 00:22:52,520
like things that callate news so

563
00:22:56,890 --> 00:22:54,020
Google's pretty good because Google

564
00:22:58,510 --> 00:22:56,900
collates everything that's sort of going

565
00:23:01,180 --> 00:22:58,520
on you can sort of customize what you

566
00:23:03,940 --> 00:23:01,190
want so I like to start broad and then

567
00:23:05,860 --> 00:23:03,950
venture into the little niche websites

568
00:23:07,630 --> 00:23:05,870
from there now what about difficult

569
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:07,640
subjects like something like the Jimmy

570
00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:09,650
Savile case or something about cancer or

571
00:23:14,050 --> 00:23:12,230
AIDS do you ever go to those topics

572
00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:14,060
because yes there is comedy there it is

573
00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:15,860
a lot harder to work for and it's much

574
00:23:19,330 --> 00:23:17,960
more difficult look for writing for

575
00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:19,340
something like The Tonight Show and that

576
00:23:23,650 --> 00:23:22,310
that is the sort of the epitome of broad

577
00:23:25,630 --> 00:23:23,660
humor that you want everyone to be able

578
00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:25,640
to get and you need it to be palatable

579
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:27,470
what can you what you can do if

580
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:29,450
something say let me use hurricane sandy

581
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:31,730
that was a big tragedy everyone's

582
00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:33,650
talking about that so you can't ignore

583
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:35,270
that and not mention it in in the

584
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:36,890
monologue because that that's what the

585
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:39,170
tonight show is it's sort of a comedy

586
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:41,450
newspaper so you'd learn the skill of

587
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:43,910
taking it up referring to a topic but

588
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:45,530
making fun of something that's okay to

589
00:23:50,140 --> 00:23:47,210
make fun of so when Hurricane sandy

590
00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:50,150
happened you could say New York's been

591
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:52,220
devastated that's really sad the worst

592
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:55,250
news is Donald Trump's okay so you can

593
00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:57,290
make fun of Donald Trump and that's one

594
00:24:02,350 --> 00:23:58,970
of the way around it in my personal

595
00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:02,360
stand up I like taking the topics that

596
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:05,660
are uncomfortable and bringing the

597
00:24:09,010 --> 00:24:07,010
audience along with me and that take

598
00:24:10,780 --> 00:24:09,020
that takes effort that takes a bombing

599
00:24:13,570 --> 00:24:10,790
for a long time but you come through at

600
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:13,580
the end and you wind up a better person

601
00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:15,530
for it yeah it's good for good for the

602
00:24:19,870 --> 00:24:17,390
Eric to building exactly good for the

603
00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:19,880
theoretical soul and tell me after

604
00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:21,740
you've done money of your own gigs have

605
00:24:25,210 --> 00:24:23,180
you had the person come up to you and go

606
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,220
looks I'm and I really don't think you

607
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:26,960
should do this or we've had someone

608
00:24:30,430 --> 00:24:28,370
criticize your heavily and you've had to

609
00:24:32,020 --> 00:24:30,440
almost explain your human to them which

610
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:32,030
is usually where humor falls down when

611
00:24:36,610 --> 00:24:33,890
it has to be explained exactly i think

612
00:24:38,590 --> 00:24:36,620
the the analogy is explaining comedies

613
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:38,600
like dissecting a frog frog if you want

614
00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:39,910
to know how it works you have to kill it

615
00:24:44,370 --> 00:24:42,220
it has happened

616
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:44,380
once actually and i think it was it was

617
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:47,679
over I guess I was over talking about

618
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:49,510
culture different cultures and races in

619
00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:51,130
Australia and celebrating

620
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,140
multiculturalism and and for a white

621
00:24:56,909 --> 00:24:55,360
person that's always tense so the people

622
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:56,919
who get offended by racial humor or

623
00:25:01,680 --> 00:24:59,919
white people on behalf of people of

624
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:01,690
other races rather than the people of

625
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:03,970
those races so I like to do a lot of

626
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:07,120
comedy that that incorporates people

627
00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:08,080
that are talks about different religions

628
00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:10,990
and whatnot and that makes people who

629
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:13,780
could worry they're racist uncomfortable

630
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:16,450
so it's hard to sort of explain and

631
00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:17,679
dissect but some people worry that

632
00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:20,260
you're making life tough for them but

633
00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:22,780
look and being a skeptical conference II

634
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:24,280
what's the word that gets your goat I

635
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:29,890
think the vaccinations I guess becoming

636
00:25:32,970 --> 00:25:31,960
even more of a concern as my friends as

637
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:32,980
I'm getting old and my friends are

638
00:25:36,690 --> 00:25:34,809
starting to have kids and so it's

639
00:25:39,899 --> 00:25:36,700
actually becoming a conversation point

640
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,909
in day-to-day life because you know I've

641
00:25:43,380 --> 00:25:41,200
had friends i said i wonder if i should

642
00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:43,390
get give my kid vaccinate look what do

643
00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:46,120
you mean wonder you do it like there's

644
00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:48,760
no question about it and so it's just

645
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,740
seeing that that's permenter me a turd

646
00:25:55,049 --> 00:25:52,720
popular culture is there it does get my

647
00:25:58,350 --> 00:25:55,059
goat particularly now that's that's the

648
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,360
hot topic for me I'm also heard from a

649
00:26:01,529 --> 00:25:59,919
few psychiatrist probably the most

650
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,539
psychopathic people in society are

651
00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:03,760
stand-up comedians I mean just for

652
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:05,320
example the language you say you killed

653
00:26:08,909 --> 00:26:07,090
whenever you do a good show that sort of

654
00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:08,919
thing do you think they are anymore so I

655
00:26:13,529 --> 00:26:10,270
can pathak than the other breed of the

656
00:26:15,570 --> 00:26:13,539
society well look i know we say we

657
00:26:17,490 --> 00:26:15,580
killed or i bombed or i slayed or I

658
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:17,500
smashed it there is a lot of that I

659
00:26:25,410 --> 00:26:21,730
don't know if we're psychopathic

660
00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:25,420
other than chemical stand-up comedy is

661
00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:27,820
compartmentalization yeah look I don't

662
00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:29,560
know yeah I think there is a there's a

663
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,180
level of being clinical about things so

664
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:37,120
whether being a clinician is like being

665
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:40,090
psychopathic then in that case top does

666
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:41,530
a psychopathic because you know you got

667
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:42,730
to separate I think we've got enough

668
00:26:49,550 --> 00:26:46,450
cognitive dissonance to be able to come

669
00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:49,560
pick up compartmentalize without being

670
00:26:54,540 --> 00:26:52,630
too crazy I I could I have a few

671
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:54,550
psychopathic tendencies though i'll give

672
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:56,110
you they'll grant you that look I'll let

673
00:26:58,830 --> 00:26:57,460
you get back to your hosting work here

674
00:27:00,240 --> 00:26:58,840
tonight and it is great to see an

675
00:27:02,550 --> 00:27:00,250
Australian comic who's doing something

676
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different get recognized for that thank

677
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687
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join us now for drinking skeptically in

688
00:28:08,589 --> 00:28:05,179
the think tank so this is the Batcave

689
00:28:11,469 --> 00:28:08,599
Iran he was they were this was initially

690
00:28:14,889 --> 00:28:11,479
just the under the house with soil and

691
00:28:17,409 --> 00:28:14,899
old rugs and you know broken chairs and

692
00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:17,419
you know it's a room it's a room and

693
00:28:21,549 --> 00:28:19,249
we're very pleased to be here in the in

694
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:21,559
the second think tank I think we've done

695
00:28:29,139 --> 00:28:24,769
in your house in fact yes hopefully this

696
00:28:32,349 --> 00:28:29,149
is a quieter one no we're downstairs in

697
00:28:34,029 --> 00:28:32,359
Iran's house it's a like a very new room

698
00:28:36,819 --> 00:28:34,039
it's like an almost like a recording

699
00:28:38,769 --> 00:28:36,829
studio which is fortuitous they could be

700
00:28:40,809 --> 00:28:38,779
started we were actually working on

701
00:28:42,609 --> 00:28:40,819
secret project solar flare a little bit

702
00:28:45,609 --> 00:28:42,619
so that's very interesting so I'd like

703
00:28:49,089 --> 00:28:45,619
to welcome you to your own thank you

704
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:49,099
welcome everybody and you have a special

705
00:28:55,539 --> 00:28:52,569
guest with us hello this is guy guy is

706
00:28:57,249 --> 00:28:55,549
14 which you can easily tell by the fact

707
00:29:00,009 --> 00:28:57,259
that he's about it but a foot taller

708
00:29:01,299 --> 00:29:00,019
than me he had me actually he was a foot

709
00:29:05,589 --> 00:29:01,309
taller than me yesterday i'm not sure

710
00:29:07,719 --> 00:29:05,599
about today okay two feet yeah and Joe

711
00:29:09,699 --> 00:29:07,729
venom oh hello I would say good to see

712
00:29:11,529 --> 00:29:09,709
you again too so lovely necklace you

713
00:29:14,229 --> 00:29:11,539
have once again office it's from Prague

714
00:29:16,239 --> 00:29:14,239
recorded Prague that's interesting i'll

715
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:16,249
be in prague and a few stories show the

716
00:29:20,919 --> 00:29:19,129
listeners I'm going on the microphone at

717
00:29:23,019 --> 00:29:20,929
the butterfly now yes it's beautiful oh

718
00:29:26,349 --> 00:29:23,029
sorry where's my members cheers

719
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:26,359
everybody cheers Cheers yes thank you

720
00:29:32,469 --> 00:29:30,559
for thinking nice well it's great to

721
00:29:34,059 --> 00:29:32,479
have a think take away from our favorite

722
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:34,069
club down the end of the street what's

723
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:35,329
going to have a think tank anywhere

724
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:37,129
really yes I'll be off to the Czech

725
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:39,049
Republic in a few weeks I'm delighted to

726
00:29:50,009 --> 00:29:41,690
say that i'll be going to a film other

727
00:29:52,539 --> 00:29:50,019
paying by card or by check edit know I

728
00:29:54,099 --> 00:29:52,549
now I'm delighted to be saying I'm going

729
00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:54,109
to be a guest of an international

730
00:29:57,609 --> 00:29:55,940
science film festival and more

731
00:29:59,109 --> 00:29:57,619
information about that coming up very

732
00:30:01,239 --> 00:29:59,119
soon on the skeptic zone because I'd

733
00:30:02,739 --> 00:30:01,249
love to tell you all about it and I'm

734
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:02,749
also delighted to say at this stage i'll

735
00:30:07,509 --> 00:30:06,049
be visiting hours LA and speaking to the

736
00:30:08,889 --> 00:30:07,519
local skeptics up there still working

737
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:08,899
out the details that's very exciting and

738
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:11,330
i'll be speaking at QED in

739
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,290
so wow that's a lot of flying and a

740
00:30:19,060 --> 00:30:17,360
message for everybody out there whether

741
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:19,070
you're a skeptics in the pub or you're

742
00:30:23,260 --> 00:30:20,570
skeptical group the skeptic zone is

743
00:30:25,210 --> 00:30:23,270
always happy to promote you if you'd

744
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,220
like your group being promoted around

745
00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:26,960
the world on the skeptic zone drop me a

746
00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:30,230
line Richard at skeptic zone TV and we

747
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:31,880
can organize to have your group

748
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:34,970
advertised happy to do that by the way

749
00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:38,210
that the skeptics in the pub I believe

750
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:40,400
most of the groups will be appearing on

751
00:30:46,150 --> 00:30:43,250
the skeptics in the pub dot all I think

752
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:46,160
it is there is there is a website in

753
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,290
started the it's a UK website but i

754
00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:50,240
think its toll it's on there's gonna be

755
00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:51,830
hundreds riderless yeah this goes be

756
00:30:57,610 --> 00:30:53,900
alone i'm going to go just as UK allows

757
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,620
my goal to visit everyone business sorry

758
00:31:01,810 --> 00:30:59,360
a lot of pubs getting goodness business

759
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:01,820
that's true including the one here in

760
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:04,850
sydney yeah yeah in fact my goal is to

761
00:31:10,210 --> 00:31:06,290
visit every one of those whether the

762
00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:10,220
skeptics are there or not well what a

763
00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:12,830
law we have to talk about this time on

764
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:15,040
the think tank and what an interesting

765
00:31:20,020 --> 00:31:18,770
24 hours it's been in fact Joe he's been

766
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:20,030
a lot going on let me kick off straight

767
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:23,230
away with interesting news from the our

768
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:25,580
friends at the zany homeopathy plus

769
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:28,310
outfit website Fran Sheffield who won

770
00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:30,200
the bent spoon of waters listeners may

771
00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:34,520
well remember it looks like the a the

772
00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:36,830
Australian competitions in congestion

773
00:31:42,550 --> 00:31:39,860
sliggoo Consumer Commission aren't very

774
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:42,560
pleased with the homeopathy plus and

775
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:45,050
they've just started legal proceedings

776
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:46,880
against them as far as I can tell and

777
00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:49,700
this has to do with complaint number 20

778
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:54,440
11 / 05 / 004 there you go breaches of

779
00:32:03,070 --> 00:32:00,100
section 41 B section 2 a and section 4c

780
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:03,080
amongst others of the code obviously oh

781
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:05,050
come and go through everything I mean

782
00:32:10,330 --> 00:32:08,090
there are too many breaches for me to go

783
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:10,340
through honestly folks but some of the

784
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:14,180
what the a Triple C is written the

785
00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:16,210
delegate maintains that the

786
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:18,350
advertisements that are present on the

787
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,010
website w WM u T plus comdata you remain

788
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:25,320
in breach of the aforementioned sections

789
00:32:30,380 --> 00:32:28,620
in that statements about the vaccination

790
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:30,390
of humans for potentially serious

791
00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:32,580
diseases via various homeopathic

792
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,980
remedies have not been verified by the

793
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:37,200
advertiser by providing relevant

794
00:32:41,170 --> 00:32:39,210
supporting documents and so basically

795
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:41,180
they have to go before the federal core

796
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:44,880
and homeopathy plus I having to defend

797
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:47,310
its claim that homeopathic medicines are

798
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,410
a safe alternative to what they

799
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:51,120
described as largely ineffective

800
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:53,910
whooping cough vaccine yes yeah um and I

801
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:56,370
think it's I have to say a Triple C have

802
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:58,440
actually always been great when it comes

803
00:33:01,280 --> 00:32:59,880
to dealing with this kind of stuff a

804
00:33:03,980 --> 00:33:01,290
triple c were really the ones who took

805
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:03,990
down power balance yes have on span yes

806
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:07,500
um but I think you know it's great that

807
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,850
someone like Frank Sheffield let's get

808
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:11,360
ready to get up in court and defend the

809
00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:15,000
indefensible which and the reason this

810
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:17,070
latest proceeding was brought to my

811
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:18,810
attention as I subscribe to the homie

812
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:22,170
homeopathy plus newsletter which is no

813
00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:25,860
end of laughs and last night alert came

814
00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:28,230
in as about to go to bed alert says

815
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:30,660
legal proceedings against homeopathy

816
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:32,910
plus the Australian Competition and

817
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:35,910
Consumer Commission a Triple C has

818
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:37,770
commenced legal proceedings against

819
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:39,960
homeopathy plus Australia proprietary

820
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:42,330
limited and homeopath Fran Sheffield

821
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:44,970
these complaints concerned articles on

822
00:33:49,550 --> 00:33:47,310
the octopus website about the

823
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:49,560
effectiveness of whooping cough vaccine

824
00:33:53,660 --> 00:33:51,720
and the homeopathic approach to the

825
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:53,670
treatment and prevention of whooping

826
00:33:57,380 --> 00:33:55,890
cough the thing is I mean French

827
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,390
Sheffield has been notorious for

828
00:34:01,550 --> 00:34:00,240
thumbing her nose of the authorities she

829
00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:01,560
didn't put up the retraction she was

830
00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:04,350
directed to and as I wrote on some blog

831
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,270
or some Facebook think what do they

832
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,879
expect last time I actually saw her sort

833
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:10,560
of appear in the media to defend herself

834
00:34:18,110 --> 00:34:14,280
was when done Steve Cain had her own uh

835
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:18,120
i think was on late line i think does he

836
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,690
do that yes o.o the drum or something

837
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:23,280
it was like a pro translate lives are

838
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:24,780
from them and that was I think that was

839
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:27,419
the last time we sort of saw her polka

840
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:32,550
head above water and so to speak but in

841
00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:35,339
fact you know largely why this came

842
00:34:39,619 --> 00:34:37,800
about was through Ken Harvey's work if

843
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:39,629
if there's actually a really great

844
00:34:43,399 --> 00:34:41,730
Facebook page would you started by Ilyas

845
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:43,409
called stop coming up with you plus so

846
00:34:46,309 --> 00:34:45,000
right if you want to go on and find out

847
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:46,319
more about what's going on with that

848
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:48,690
yeah and let us not forget that French

849
00:34:55,309 --> 00:34:52,290
Sheffield is largely or has been more or

850
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:55,319
less in largely in coach with the dory

851
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:57,180
although i want to point something out

852
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:58,440
well a couple of things i see with

853
00:35:03,620 --> 00:35:00,180
regards to fan sheffield she's she's a

854
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:03,630
bit of an odd one in several ways first

855
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:07,650
of all she has several times stood up

856
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:11,130
against meryl Dory and in the avian in

857
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:12,690
regards to the fact that they do not

858
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:15,210
come out as objecting to vaccination

859
00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:17,369
which was a very reasonable position to

860
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,839
take from somebody who's clearly not

861
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:21,119
completely there so for her to be

862
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:23,730
reasonable is was a bit of a stretch of

863
00:35:28,309 --> 00:35:25,950
normals non-normal attitudes and

864
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:28,319
behaviors yeah so that's the one thing i

865
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:30,690
want to point out secondly as i said the

866
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:33,030
way they are article the way the article

867
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:35,490
appeared on her website he looked a

868
00:35:40,970 --> 00:35:37,490
little bit like she was either

869
00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:40,980
unconcerned door or maybe even happy

870
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:43,319
with the way things were going well but

871
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:44,460
the reality is that there's something

872
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:46,619
that listeners should be aware of and

873
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:47,940
that is something that we I think we

874
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:51,510
learned more than anything the 2011

875
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:52,980
convention that we organize you know

876
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,050
Sydney where we had the head of the TGA

877
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:57,839
and a senior enforcement guy from a

878
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:02,880
Triple C on stage for my head at AJ yeah

879
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:05,460
so but he was there as the head of the

880
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:08,730
TGA and uh and with one of the things

881
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:09,900
that they were asked were around

882
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:12,300
enforcement of situations like these and

883
00:36:17,780 --> 00:36:15,660
the TGA cannot actually do much about

884
00:36:19,420 --> 00:36:17,790
homeopath because they're not registered

885
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:19,430
health professionals and they don't and

886
00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:22,650
the things they sell are not actually

887
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:25,470
registered as medicine so basically its

888
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:27,480
consumers you on the other hand the way

889
00:36:31,609 --> 00:36:30,030
the a Triple C n so far seen is was it

890
00:36:34,570 --> 00:36:31,619
something that is basically a matter for

891
00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:34,580
the consumers to beware so for them

892
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,070
go out of their way and actually do

893
00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:38,720
something about something like this is

894
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:42,380
very is very it's very good obviously

895
00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:44,570
but it's also not in line with the way

896
00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:46,150
the attitude they have generally taken

897
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:48,200
especially since they're looking at

898
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:49,670
they're going after a specific

899
00:36:53,110 --> 00:36:52,070
homeopathic specific website they're not

900
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:53,120
going after the only hope i thik

901
00:36:57,460 --> 00:36:54,530
association or anything like that

902
00:37:00,520 --> 00:36:57,470
they're going up there specific I go one

903
00:37:04,170 --> 00:37:00,530
thing about this particular homeopaths

904
00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:04,180
website is a lot of them are a bit more

905
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:07,460
cagey about how they make the claims

906
00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:09,050
they make the trying to dilute the

907
00:37:20,650 --> 00:37:15,590
claims actually I thought it may be

908
00:37:22,060 --> 00:37:20,660
related to your it yes maybe neither but

909
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:22,070
you know I take your point where's the

910
00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:24,350
furniture peels Simpson races she's

911
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:26,990
absolutely brazen in the claims she max

912
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:31,520
I know he's gonna do it and smug he's

913
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:33,530
imitating me folks he scoots glasses

914
00:37:37,540 --> 00:37:35,570
down halfway course he's knows the thing

915
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:37,550
about a friend friend Sheffield is she

916
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:39,950
is such an utter believer in this

917
00:37:45,610 --> 00:37:43,010
without you know she's so far gone into

918
00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:45,620
the world view that this works that in

919
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,180
her mind well why wouldn't she be

920
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:49,280
upfront and honest and say this works

921
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:51,650
and all the rest about it whereas other

922
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:53,690
people maybe like Merrill has been it

923
00:37:58,180 --> 00:37:55,130
more in the past has been a little bit

924
00:38:00,100 --> 00:37:58,190
cagey you know how many's and Meryl's of

925
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:00,110
no doubt that vaccinations are bad and

926
00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:01,850
not cause autism and they don't work and

927
00:38:08,050 --> 00:38:06,590
her but she's been very circumspect

928
00:38:10,750 --> 00:38:08,060
would that be the right word a bit cagey

929
00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:10,760
about how she person I think maybe just

930
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:12,500
I think it's actually more just being

931
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:14,930
deliberately savvy in turn certainly in

932
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:16,970
terms of you know trying to avoid being

933
00:38:21,340 --> 00:38:19,250
caught out you know making statements

934
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:21,350
that could you know it's a little bit

935
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:23,690
like how the alien for example of always

936
00:38:27,310 --> 00:38:25,730
called themselves you know pro-choice

937
00:38:29,260 --> 00:38:27,320
rally you know I think it's just a

938
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:29,270
deliberate choice of language to avoid

939
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:32,930
being caught out you and taking a task

940
00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:35,210
it's also something I'm not sure about

941
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:36,740
humming about so much but definitely

942
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:39,680
with Andy vex groups we around the world

943
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:42,170
they all have pretty much the same name

944
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:43,790
in different languages yes quite

945
00:38:46,299 --> 00:38:45,050
astonishing I remember there was this

946
00:38:48,099 --> 00:38:46,309
Dutch group

947
00:38:50,859 --> 00:38:48,109
you've talked about a few probably a

948
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:50,869
couple of years ago now and this group

949
00:38:55,779 --> 00:38:52,910
in Germany and I remember there's a you

950
00:38:57,249 --> 00:38:55,789
know kind of a thing maybe it was a

951
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,259
French rabote these groups when you

952
00:39:01,059 --> 00:38:59,359
translate their names they're all about

953
00:39:03,069 --> 00:39:01,069
information about you know it's all

954
00:39:04,689 --> 00:39:03,079
about information about em series it's

955
00:39:06,189 --> 00:39:04,699
all freedom of choice into nothing is

956
00:39:09,459 --> 00:39:06,199
there none of them are against vexing

957
00:39:10,839 --> 00:39:09,469
yes and what lightly of course Meryl

958
00:39:13,150 --> 00:39:10,849
dories been in all sorts of trouble with

959
00:39:16,299 --> 00:39:13,160
the solar system and vaccination network

960
00:39:17,709 --> 00:39:16,309
and they cry universally at an attack on

961
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:17,719
freedom and all this sort of thing

962
00:39:22,269 --> 00:39:20,689
that's their line you know the issue the

963
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:22,279
issue of the idea of freedom and their

964
00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:24,890
senses that by refusing to take vaccines

965
00:39:28,989 --> 00:39:26,420
it is taken away the freedom from

966
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:28,999
everyone else because if you have below

967
00:39:32,229 --> 00:39:30,380
a certain percentage of people taking

968
00:39:34,029 --> 00:39:32,239
the vaccines and nobody else has any

969
00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:34,039
choice whether they take a taxi nor not

970
00:39:37,989 --> 00:39:36,380
because will be just as effective hmm

971
00:39:39,489 --> 00:39:37,999
because the more people that use a

972
00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:39,499
vaccine the more effective it will be

973
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:41,660
that's very true that's very true and

974
00:39:46,179 --> 00:39:43,400
there in binging on our freedom to live

975
00:39:47,709 --> 00:39:46,189
in a society which will be shortly you

976
00:39:50,709 --> 00:39:47,719
know not too far down the track free of

977
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,719
polio well a world I should say because

978
00:39:56,169 --> 00:39:53,119
our society is personally I mean one of

979
00:39:59,339 --> 00:39:56,179
the problems with the polio is that you

980
00:40:03,009 --> 00:39:59,349
know typically the anti-vaccination

981
00:40:05,439 --> 00:40:03,019
lobbies that we deal with are more to do

982
00:40:07,989 --> 00:40:05,449
with you know a particular type of

983
00:40:10,479 --> 00:40:07,999
ideology to do with you know the natural

984
00:40:11,979 --> 00:40:10,489
health and all that kind of stuff when

985
00:40:14,259 --> 00:40:11,989
you're talking about any word Apollo one

986
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:14,269
of the problems in a lot of the film's

987
00:40:17,769 --> 00:40:15,920
within of all countries where you know

988
00:40:20,650 --> 00:40:17,779
places were there that they still have

989
00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:20,660
polio is that it's to do with religion

990
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,630
so you've got you know Islamic Islamic

991
00:40:27,999 --> 00:40:25,839
Charlie Merricks who uh who are you know

992
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:28,009
dissuading the populations and

993
00:40:31,749 --> 00:40:29,390
vaccinations there was that terrible

994
00:40:34,539 --> 00:40:31,759
case of feud a couple of lesson about

995
00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:34,549
two months ago I think we're a number of

996
00:40:42,579 --> 00:40:39,619
vaccination workers were good um so you

997
00:40:44,859 --> 00:40:42,589
know a welfare polio is going to be not

998
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:44,869
so much to do with whether or not we

999
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:47,599
take down groups like the ABN and

1000
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,110
something

1001
00:40:52,570 --> 00:40:49,520
a little bit beyond our reach and more

1002
00:40:54,580 --> 00:40:52,580
reliant on the you know the government

1003
00:40:56,770 --> 00:40:54,590
and what goes on in those countries well

1004
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:56,780
why we're on matters related to the

1005
00:41:00,700 --> 00:40:58,130
Australian vaccination where it worked

1006
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:00,710
the lead story folks at the moment on

1007
00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:03,130
the Australian skeptics website which is

1008
00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:08,750
WWE tix com au is the storm of

1009
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:10,790
controversy and protest about the book

1010
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:14,450
Melanie's marvelous measles which has

1011
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:18,530
now got a lot of very very very negative

1012
00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:20,210
publicity for the whole of the

1013
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:23,020
anti-vaccine vaccination movement and

1014
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:25,910
people so I recommend all listeners go

1015
00:41:30,310 --> 00:41:28,400
to that website www skeptics got calm

1016
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,320
today you and read our report about

1017
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:33,440
Melanie's marvelous measles please go to

1018
00:41:39,970 --> 00:41:36,670
John stumbles website and read his

1019
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:39,980
absolutely wonderful and through them

1020
00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:43,130
takedown of Melanie's marvelous nasals

1021
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:47,990
um what John did was um he's in the UK

1022
00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:52,310
by the way he's put together I don't

1023
00:41:57,550 --> 00:41:53,750
know if listeners are familiar with

1024
00:42:01,330 --> 00:41:57,560
royal dolls SI that he wrote rolled I

1025
00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:01,340
lost his daughter to measles and colitis

1026
00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:05,840
and became very vocal about the the

1027
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:07,790
importance of vaccinations and he wrote

1028
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:12,770
an incredibly touching essay and it's so

1029
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:16,610
relevant today and what John stumbles it

1030
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:18,350
was that he's taken rolled Isles essay

1031
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:21,790
and he's written an introduction to it

1032
00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:25,490
which which references what Stephanie

1033
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:27,080
messenger the author Melanie's marvelous

1034
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:30,530
measles has done in in really quite ugly

1035
00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:33,890
way and I highly highly recommend p.m.

1036
00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:35,990
this is seek it out have a read and

1037
00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:38,150
share it with anyone they can all i'll

1038
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:39,950
certainly put a link to it on on the

1039
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:41,630
show notes for this episode and skeptics

1040
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:43,700
own but we would be been discussing this

1041
00:42:46,930 --> 00:42:45,410
book for quite a while now and listeners

1042
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,940
may will remember we came up with all

1043
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:49,040
sorts of crazy alternatives like friends

1044
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:51,170
fantastic fluid and all these sort of

1045
00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:53,330
this sort of stuff all in good fun at

1046
00:42:57,610 --> 00:42:55,340
the time but as the weeks have gone on

1047
00:43:00,310 --> 00:42:57,620
and and I've looked at the book more

1048
00:43:01,930 --> 00:43:00,320
carefully it's just I think I said to

1049
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:01,940
somebody I think I even said to the

1050
00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:03,650
the committee of Australian skeptics and

1051
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:05,480
an email I said these people are vandals

1052
00:43:10,569 --> 00:43:08,930
of our society look I think though on a

1053
00:43:12,849 --> 00:43:10,579
positive note though we have had some

1054
00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:12,859
good wins I can't quite remember the

1055
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:14,780
last time we talked about it where we

1056
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:17,390
were up to at this you know you were

1057
00:43:21,339 --> 00:43:19,010
really struggling with that we've gotten

1058
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:21,349
nowhere with the Book Depository amazon

1059
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:23,710
and really don't think we ever will um

1060
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:28,640
but I completely say that as of a few

1061
00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:32,329
days ago the Nile which is another

1062
00:43:37,180 --> 00:43:35,000
Australian publisher took it down off

1063
00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:37,190
there sighs I'm following some very

1064
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,220
vocal cook can complaints I am Carol and

1065
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:45,200
they that means that now there are no

1066
00:43:48,609 --> 00:43:46,910
local publishers are carrying the book

1067
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:48,619
which is which is good that's a good

1068
00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:51,410
thing very happy amazon unfortunately

1069
00:43:56,140 --> 00:43:53,900
but on amazon published will put

1070
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,150
anything up there they did and let any

1071
00:44:00,040 --> 00:43:58,160
and there will be crying conspiracy you

1072
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:00,050
know look that the government of you

1073
00:44:05,890 --> 00:44:02,089
know big farmer of force these books to

1074
00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:05,900
be taken off all the rest they always do

1075
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:08,060
they always do and the last thing I'll

1076
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:10,630
say about this whole anti-vaccination

1077
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:13,880
issue is some time ago came to the

1078
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:15,170
attention of Australian skeptics that

1079
00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:16,910
the Australian vaccination Network

1080
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:18,380
registered a whole lot of domain names

1081
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:20,990
which were very much like Australian

1082
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:25,760
skeptics and so actually just maybe I

1083
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:28,130
give some details about that so our

1084
00:44:33,010 --> 00:44:30,530
website is obviously skeptics calmed are

1085
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:33,020
you so it's not Australian skeptic so

1086
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:34,490
what happened was that Meryl Dory

1087
00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:37,130
personally registered for domain names

1088
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,880
Australian skeptics book oh the

1089
00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:42,079
Australian skeptics with the sea doc

1090
00:44:47,890 --> 00:44:45,950
years home i think the Infonet just for

1091
00:44:51,609 --> 00:44:47,900
for domain names that with australian

1092
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:51,619
skeptics with the sea and she put some

1093
00:44:58,599 --> 00:44:55,280
content there and then another major but

1094
00:45:01,390 --> 00:44:58,609
then she put together a full domain

1095
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:01,400
called the real australian skeptics calm

1096
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,530
and that's where all the Comte appears

1097
00:45:08,109 --> 00:45:05,839
video it built all the domain names all

1098
00:45:10,839 --> 00:45:08,119
point to one to one website and

1099
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:10,849
basically that's supposed to be the real

1100
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:15,540
australian skeptics website and the sub

1101
00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:19,050
what's the tagline there it's uh except

1102
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,630
except nothing doubt everything nothing

1103
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:23,520
like that yeah um which of course is

1104
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:26,310
good nothing except nothing yes it's got

1105
00:45:29,570 --> 00:45:28,050
nothing to do with being a skeptic she

1106
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:29,580
completely misunderstands obviously

1107
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:32,730
which is not hugely surprising um she

1108
00:45:37,070 --> 00:45:35,190
she misunderstands and miss things worse

1109
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:37,080
turned yes she's consistent we have the

1110
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:39,090
people that use the website would not

1111
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:45,000
accept the website doubt it yeah well we

1112
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,910
we lost a complaint thanks to Chris

1113
00:45:51,850 --> 00:45:49,980
guest from Victorian skeptics who did a

1114
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:51,860
lot of work we lodged a complaint

1115
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,570
through the it's a whole mechanism i'm

1116
00:45:58,070 --> 00:45:55,680
not going to go into that there's all

1117
00:46:01,900 --> 00:45:58,080
mechanism for complaining about websites

1118
00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:01,910
that cause mischief or or that steal

1119
00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:04,790
steal their identity other people

1120
00:46:10,610 --> 00:46:09,300
unfortunately we failed because we it's

1121
00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:10,620
been determined that we don't actually

1122
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:14,760
have copyright over the term Australian

1123
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,880
skeptics French campus which I may be

1124
00:46:21,350 --> 00:46:19,380
true in the u.s. actually wear this

1125
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:21,360
process took place it's probably not

1126
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:22,740
true in Australia so we are still

1127
00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:24,540
looking at other avenues but the reality

1128
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:26,280
is not it's not a hugely important

1129
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,430
matter but it's something that we it's a

1130
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:32,160
bit bigger knowing it's annoying but but

1131
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,530
it's incredibly telling as to what these

1132
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:36,900
people do absolutely i mean look they're

1133
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:38,460
misleading about them is meeting about a

1134
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:40,680
name for 20 years yeah why shouldn't

1135
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:42,420
they be misleading about Arnie I mean

1136
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:44,250
yeah it's just makes completely I think

1137
00:46:47,330 --> 00:46:45,780
they were very sneaky and smart know

1138
00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:47,340
we've got one over on the skeptics will

1139
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:49,350
ya okay that's nice to go back into your

1140
00:46:54,110 --> 00:46:52,410
room now it's like good this man yeah

1141
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:54,120
well this is the level of these people

1142
00:47:00,860 --> 00:46:57,410
are at you look it's Charlie yeah I mean

1143
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:00,870
we I must say it we mean we have thought

1144
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:03,420
you know why don't we if it's if it's

1145
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,310
okay to do that then why don't we but

1146
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:07,260
you know what we we don't want to be

1147
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,940
them we want to be like that we're not

1148
00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:10,440
going to sing you know then we're not

1149
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:12,120
absolutely we're not going to sing to

1150
00:47:15,110 --> 00:47:13,710
like we could yeah there's an

1151
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:15,120
opportunity there I suppose we could

1152
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:17,490
pretend to be them and trick people into

1153
00:47:21,350 --> 00:47:18,810
coming to our website but that's what

1154
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:21,360
stupid people do and people that were

1155
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:23,370
above that we have to be above that you

1156
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:25,410
know there's many avenues we could take

1157
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:26,410
the nice note

1158
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:28,930
not one that's not one of them now Joe

1159
00:47:34,109 --> 00:47:31,150
busily looking over your notes there

1160
00:47:36,299 --> 00:47:34,119
what's our next interesting story so um

1161
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:36,309
some of our listeners may have heard

1162
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:38,650
about what's been going on up in sunny

1163
00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:41,650
Queensland where the Kansas City Council

1164
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:44,230
has decided to remove fluoride from the

1165
00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:47,380
water supply basically they said that it

1166
00:47:54,359 --> 00:47:49,480
amounts to the involuntary medication of

1167
00:47:56,539 --> 00:47:54,369
its residents oh hang on I just let me

1168
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:56,549
just take a sip of flu right what I am

1169
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,200
mmm yeah this is Sydney water full of

1170
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:00,880
fluoride again okay sorry you were

1171
00:48:05,789 --> 00:48:03,730
saying so they said that but if they if

1172
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:05,799
people want to have access to fluoride

1173
00:48:10,289 --> 00:48:07,510
if they need to take it up with their

1174
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,299
dentists let me holler the super flu out

1175
00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:12,880
of freshly squeezed and hell no home mmm

1176
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:16,780
Oh blue right yeah okay come now they

1177
00:48:20,279 --> 00:48:18,730
say that they're not anti fluoride and

1178
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:20,289
they don't subscribe to you that there's

1179
00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:22,329
any harm based on all the scientific

1180
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:24,220
studies around the world there's a

1181
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:27,130
political and legal starts it will be in

1182
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:29,049
the future in a way with this is why

1183
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:32,200
interesting given that um the the MP

1184
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:34,630
who's been pushing this man by the name

1185
00:48:38,819 --> 00:48:36,910
of Jason Woodford last year so that

1186
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:38,829
there was broad backbench support for

1187
00:48:44,339 --> 00:48:41,529
the fluoride to the Apple completely and

1188
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:44,349
he said that it was a proven neurotoxin

1189
00:48:50,670 --> 00:48:48,970
so you know that's that's definitely not

1190
00:48:53,069 --> 00:48:50,680
in any way anything other than a

1191
00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:53,079
political and as I was just saying

1192
00:48:58,799 --> 00:48:54,760
though that in fact this is actually a

1193
00:49:01,170 --> 00:48:58,809
financial issue because the council pays

1194
00:49:03,450 --> 00:49:01,180
for the water to for the fluoride to be

1195
00:49:05,849 --> 00:49:03,460
out of the water but the cost of dental

1196
00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:05,859
care are actually a state or federal

1197
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:07,660
government responsibility just just to

1198
00:49:11,970 --> 00:49:09,910
add to that the cost the cost them three

1199
00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:11,980
hundred the cost the council three and

1200
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:13,480
three hundred thousand dollars per year

1201
00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:16,270
to Florida's the water whereas the cost

1202
00:49:22,769 --> 00:49:20,020
of dental care in the future will a be

1203
00:49:24,779 --> 00:49:22,779
well in the future yes look current

1204
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:24,789
counselors counselors will not be

1205
00:49:29,329 --> 00:49:27,760
responsible for that and be it's a state

1206
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:29,339
government and federal government

1207
00:49:32,339 --> 00:49:31,390
responsibility so as far as they're

1208
00:49:33,779 --> 00:49:32,349
concerned they've just safe three

1209
00:49:34,530 --> 00:49:33,789
hundred thousand dollars and bugger

1210
00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:34,540
everything else

1211
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:38,020
but if people interested in in objecting

1212
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:40,270
to this I just found out a little while

1213
00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:42,940
ago there's actually a petition going on

1214
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:46,060
online on change.org it's called Kansas

1215
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:48,130
City Council add fluoride back into the

1216
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:49,750
water as per the advice of medical and

1217
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:53,050
dental experts there's currently 260

1218
00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:56,260
signatures on that so if you want to

1219
00:50:01,170 --> 00:49:59,050
sign the petition hop online I would be

1220
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:01,180
very surprised if this goes through and

1221
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:03,010
they actually do take the flu right out

1222
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:07,270
I think look I don't know I I haven't

1223
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:09,490
been able to access that information my

1224
00:50:13,530 --> 00:50:11,410
understanding was that it was a done

1225
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:13,540
deal but that was that had been decided

1226
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:15,130
that people are gonna be moving out of

1227
00:50:18,930 --> 00:50:16,810
the area to save their kids teeth right

1228
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:18,940
now well I just would just have to say

1229
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:22,330
something about cans and teeth huh but I

1230
00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:26,050
would be willing to live in cans in even

1231
00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:28,030
for that and actually really my teeth by

1232
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:31,780
going every day to this amazing ice

1233
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:37,270
cream place really yeah but your low key

1234
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,650
oh but but I don't you'll be getting

1235
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:40,240
another Eclipse there for a while so

1236
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:41,350
you're serving is that this is something

1237
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:43,740
that's come from government you know you

1238
00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:47,230
something right here from natural news a

1239
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:49,300
lot of crazy things come from government

1240
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:54,250
but very rarely do are they so close to

1241
00:51:00,060 --> 00:50:58,210
a lot of the real hot wacky anti science

1242
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:00,070
stuff that we have to deal with

1243
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,850
something aside from the global warming

1244
00:51:07,050 --> 00:51:05,440
those who don't believe in those people

1245
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:07,060
in private chamber that yeah that's a

1246
00:51:10,590 --> 00:51:09,310
whole other issue actually I'm serious

1247
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:10,600
note actually the thing is the thing

1248
00:51:15,630 --> 00:51:14,050
that's kind of scary is how just you can

1249
00:51:17,370 --> 00:51:15,640
add this several as you said those

1250
00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:17,380
people that said that they don't believe

1251
00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:19,120
that there's any particular issue the

1252
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:22,990
floor is just legal issues so so on and

1253
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:25,050
so forth that these people don't really

1254
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,450
think too hard over what the possible

1255
00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:30,640
implications are and that I had one

1256
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:32,680
couple of whack jobs that will leading

1257
00:51:38,010 --> 00:51:34,570
these people that they've just have not

1258
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:39,510
they're going to happen if well that's

1259
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:41,830
true again if it does get up there's

1260
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:43,810
going to be trouble down the line a big

1261
00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:45,490
and clearly the people who are promoting

1262
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:49,390
this aren't able to see the evidence in

1263
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:51,610
front of them that if fluoride was a

1264
00:51:57,300 --> 00:51:54,370
potent neurotoxin and we would be seeing

1265
00:51:58,890 --> 00:51:57,310
huge amounts and health problems related

1266
00:52:00,960 --> 00:51:58,900
to because you know the effect of

1267
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:00,970
neurotoxins are fairly obvious really

1268
00:52:04,530 --> 00:52:02,650
they just like looking at bad teeth I

1269
00:52:06,210 --> 00:52:04,540
know what I think is most most upsetting

1270
00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:06,220
to me one of the things I noticed when

1271
00:52:10,290 --> 00:52:07,870
we the whole family went up to

1272
00:52:12,330 --> 00:52:10,300
Queensland to to ken's to see the solar

1273
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:12,340
eclipse one of the things that struck me

1274
00:52:20,460 --> 00:52:18,390
aboriginal population there that are

1275
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:20,470
clearly very poor I'm not sure all of

1276
00:52:24,090 --> 00:52:22,570
them are over this koala I'm talking

1277
00:52:28,580 --> 00:52:24,100
specifically about ones that are clearly

1278
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:28,590
porn probably live in the streets and

1279
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:31,570
really probably don't have much access

1280
00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:34,720
to medical care they and their children

1281
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:38,260
are the ones who really need that in

1282
00:52:44,370 --> 00:52:41,680
order to avoid the void problems that

1283
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,380
they are not going to be able to decide

1284
00:52:50,370 --> 00:52:47,680
and pay for for Medicaid this kind of

1285
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:50,380
what it's medication right Florida's

1286
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,210
medication now so they're not going to

1287
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:54,640
be able to pay for it so what that means

1288
00:52:58,740 --> 00:52:57,250
is that they are the ones who will

1289
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,750
suffer they are the ones who need that

1290
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:00,640
help more than anyone else in there want

1291
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,010
me though the thing is also you know

1292
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:05,200
dental health is not just about the

1293
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:09,010
cosmetic you know having bad teeth you

1294
00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:11,530
know poor dental health has a lot of

1295
00:53:16,890 --> 00:53:13,420
impact on health in other ways as well

1296
00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:16,900
as obvious a strong link between

1297
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:18,940
gingivitis and heart disease there's

1298
00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:21,370
there's all kinds of reason plus you

1299
00:53:29,610 --> 00:53:24,670
know poor poor dental dental health is a

1300
00:53:31,950 --> 00:53:29,620
major major issue in terms of the sort

1301
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:31,960
of quality of life so it is social

1302
00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:33,250
impacts akin it can be an impact on

1303
00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:36,100
getting a job on all sides now of course

1304
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,680
we make jokes about the deep north and

1305
00:53:41,790 --> 00:53:39,760
all that sort of thing of course it's

1306
00:53:43,170 --> 00:53:41,800
full of very sound people up there of

1307
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:43,180
course wonderful people intelligent

1308
00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:46,600
people but it's just it's obviously in

1309
00:53:49,950 --> 00:53:48,220
every group of people no matter where

1310
00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:49,960
you are north south east west you get

1311
00:53:53,070 --> 00:53:50,830
some crackpots

1312
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:53,080
yeah that's what I guess what we can say

1313
00:53:56,580 --> 00:53:54,760
that some of them some of them get

1314
00:54:01,650 --> 00:53:56,590
elected department how about we hit down

1315
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:01,660
cell yes so um I just came back from

1316
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:06,450
melvin really good I was really wet dumb

1317
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:11,050
and we had on the weekend of the it was

1318
00:54:16,140 --> 00:54:14,110
on the 9th of februari I was the great

1319
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:16,150
ocean road skeptic am I love skip the

1320
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,370
campuses so much fun we had a lovely one

1321
00:54:23,220 --> 00:54:21,520
a year ago and macfag and the rest of

1322
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:23,230
the great ocean road crowd put on a

1323
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:25,810
really lovely event I think there were

1324
00:54:32,810 --> 00:54:29,500
about 30 people attending same venue as

1325
00:54:36,570 --> 00:54:32,820
last time just gorgeous spot for it and

1326
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:36,580
we heard some really nice talks Steve

1327
00:54:43,050 --> 00:54:39,730
Roberts skaters talk about the water

1328
00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:43,060
dividing college so and a lot of adam

1329
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,160
van langeland birds lovely students in a

1330
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:47,200
Sabbath gave us a fantastic talk I was

1331
00:54:51,570 --> 00:54:49,330
wishes yeah she gave a really lovely

1332
00:54:54,980 --> 00:54:51,580
talk about her experiences of skepticism

1333
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:54,990
and it was just great to see you know

1334
00:55:00,060 --> 00:54:58,210
you know young people up there who are

1335
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,070
just so passionate about it and I think

1336
00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:03,040
she'll be fantastic and one of the

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actually and I and I have to say one

1338
00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:07,030
thing that we did which I really

1339
00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:10,360
encourage other skeptic amps to do Lucas

1340
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:15,550
Randall actually facilitated around sort

1341
00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:19,330
of like a roundtable discussion and the

1342
00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:21,820
topic of the discussion was around you

1343
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:26,350
know the issues of diplomacy and fill

1344
00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:29,050
plates famous don't be a dick and we

1345
00:55:34,650 --> 00:55:30,820
just got into a wonderful discussion

1346
00:55:37,860 --> 00:55:34,660
about how to do skepticism in terms of

1347
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:37,870
how we approach people how we deal with

1348
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:41,290
each other and and and you know whether

1349
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:42,790
whether or not we should always be nice

1350
00:55:47,550 --> 00:55:45,370
and it was just a really fantastic

1351
00:55:49,820 --> 00:55:47,560
opportunity for everyone to be heard and

1352
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:49,830
people came out with some really great

1353
00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:52,630
points and also some great ideas about

1354
00:55:56,550 --> 00:55:55,240
things we can do in the future so um you

1355
00:55:58,380 --> 00:55:56,560
know thank you too Lucas for that it was

1356
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,390
it was a great idea and I really

1357
00:56:00,980 --> 00:56:00,640
encourage other other skeptic camps to

1358
00:56:02,540 --> 00:56:00,990
try

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00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:02,550
same thing because it worked really well

1360
00:56:08,090 --> 00:56:05,369
it's great I wish to be that um but I

1361
00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:08,100
sadly as I spied the clock on the wall

1362
00:56:12,310 --> 00:56:09,960
over there it's the time our timers

1363
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:12,320
right now I've got one little thing

1364
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,690
that's all right before we go it's

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00:56:18,740 --> 00:56:17,400
actually more of a science story and it

1366
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:18,750
just got in really excited because I

1367
00:56:23,330 --> 00:56:20,850
thought this was kind of cool um just as

1368
00:56:25,070 --> 00:56:23,340
good looking back there I know um so

1369
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:25,080
this just came out to their fast spotted

1370
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:29,250
on the BBC website Mark Zuckerberg and a

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00:56:37,390 --> 00:56:33,450
number of other people entre

1372
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:37,400
entrepreneurs um are starting a

1373
00:56:44,030 --> 00:56:41,220
basically a researcher prize so every

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00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:44,040
year this year they have awarded 11

1375
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:46,950
disease researchers 3 million dollars

1376
00:56:54,070 --> 00:56:51,510
each each and every year after this they

1377
00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:54,080
will be handing out that amount of money

1378
00:57:01,400 --> 00:56:57,180
25 researchers every year the good guy

1379
00:57:02,780 --> 00:57:01,410
which is just phenomenal and just

1380
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:02,790
something you're going to see whatever

1381
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,920
you like about Windows the work he does

1382
00:57:08,330 --> 00:57:06,960
too ah just incredible amount of the

1383
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:08,340
work the work of the billet build

1384
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:10,200
Melinda Gates Foundation have done for

1385
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:13,050
for health for medical research just I

1386
00:57:15,890 --> 00:57:14,160
don't think we should give them a

1387
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:15,900
skeptic zone ward maybe those I'm

1388
00:57:20,510 --> 00:57:18,570
enclosing just to give you an idea some

1389
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:20,520
of the witness for this year are

1390
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:22,290
Cornelia Bargmann of Rockefeller

1391
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:24,180
University for the genetics of neural

1392
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:27,960
circuits and behavior louis county of

1393
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:29,670
Weill Cornell Medical College for the

1394
00:57:34,820 --> 00:57:31,380
discovery of an enzyme and its role in

1395
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:34,830
cancer metabolism another one is Eric

1396
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:36,750
Lander of the Broad Institute of Harvard

1397
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:39,180
and MIT for the discovery of ways to

1398
00:57:44,540 --> 00:57:41,970
identify human disease genes and another

1399
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:44,550
one is shinya yamanaka of Kyoto

1400
00:57:48,859 --> 00:57:47,070
University and days don't institutes in

1401
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:48,869
San Francisco for work for work on

1402
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:50,310
developing artificially derived stem

1403
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:52,859
cells so this year they're giving out 11

1404
00:57:59,960 --> 00:57:56,609
of those 33 million dollars they're

1405
00:58:02,330 --> 00:57:59,970
handing it yeah it's not gonna Bly more

1406
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:02,340
so that such so who is that Bill Gates

1407
00:58:07,099 --> 00:58:04,910
and okay

1408
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:07,109
thank you you only mentioned Bill Gates

1409
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:08,910
because it's not an example but it is

1410
00:58:17,050 --> 00:58:12,770
not Zuckerberg and the other ones are a

1411
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,060
genetic genetics company founder sorry

1412
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:19,440
founder of the genetics company 23andme

1413
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:25,500
and watch cheeky and yeah and Sergey

1414
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:28,680
Brin and co-founder of useful and yuri

1415
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:30,300
milner who's a russian entrepreneur

1416
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:33,000
they're the sort of the fall yuri milner

1417
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:34,650
is actually one of the I think if I were

1418
00:58:37,820 --> 00:58:35,609
correctly is one of the biggest

1419
00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:37,830
investors in it was one of the biggest

1420
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:39,630
early investors in facebook so he's

1421
00:58:43,609 --> 00:58:41,339
actually was rich when he started with

1422
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:43,619
that he's always now a lot richer yeah

1423
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:46,770
so I my god of the winners actually said

1424
00:58:50,570 --> 00:58:48,510
that she thought that was a practical

1425
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:50,580
joke doesn't for people that just hand

1426
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:52,619
out this amount of money you know for

1427
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:55,140
more research you know I mean these days

1428
00:59:00,290 --> 00:58:58,260
people are crying out for research

1429
00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:00,300
funding you just ask oh right yeah grant

1430
00:59:04,730 --> 00:59:03,240
money is just thin on the ground no and

1431
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:04,740
there's more and more things to research

1432
00:59:08,810 --> 00:59:07,410
with everybody oh absolutely and in fact

1433
00:59:10,790 --> 00:59:08,820
that that's a really important point

1434
00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:10,800
because as the world becomes more and

1435
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,020
more complex there is just so much to

1436
00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:14,880
get in you know for the world to get its

1437
00:59:19,070 --> 00:59:16,920
teeth inch of you and not enough money

1438
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:19,080
to go around sure if you're in Cannes

1439
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,700
and you don't drink the fluoridated

1440
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:23,040
water and you can't get your teeth into

1441
00:59:27,170 --> 00:59:25,530
anything but I've certainly got my teeth

1442
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:27,180
into this thing tank tonight it's been

1443
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:28,530
really nice to have another one guy

1444
00:59:32,180 --> 00:59:30,180
thank you for sitting in hope your son

1445
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:32,190
back again Iran thank you for the use of

1446
00:59:36,260 --> 00:59:34,410
your dungeon oh you're a swell coming

1447
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:36,270
bounty it's very nice little room and

1448
00:59:40,070 --> 00:59:38,310
Joanne better thank you for coming along

1449
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:40,080
thank you Richard I know the next thing

1450
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,089
take it which I hope is not too far away

1451
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:44,640
we don't have any glasses cuz we do we

1452
01:00:01,180 --> 00:59:45,680
do we do we do

1453
01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:03,710
yeah guys I was talking to Richard sauna

1454
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:05,940
see today all right he said if we record

1455
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:08,370
a trailer for our podcast skeptics with

1456
01:00:11,810 --> 01:00:10,290
a que he'd play it on their on their

1457
01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:11,820
show nice nice oven that's very generous

1458
01:00:14,990 --> 01:00:13,260
it's pretty good i'm not sure what we

1459
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:15,000
could do though I mean well suppose you

1460
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:16,890
tell people all the shows about but it's

1461
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:19,770
basic as this yeah but yeah but you know

1462
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:21,510
we talk about science and skepticism and

1463
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:23,130
things that's that's true as fuzzy you

1464
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:24,240
mentioned the website address what

1465
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:26,130
merseyside skeptics talk don't you care

1466
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,690
yeah yeah I just like searches night

1467
01:00:32,810 --> 01:00:29,280
UN's oh and then we could end with like

1468
01:00:46,999 --> 01:00:32,820
a big song like the skeptics with ok but

1469
01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:50,519
Richard I'm exhausted that was a big

1470
01:00:55,579 --> 01:00:52,809
effort wasn't it that the think tank

1471
01:00:57,989 --> 01:00:55,589
especially no no I'm just exhausted back

1472
01:00:59,759 --> 01:00:57,999
it's just bit a big day sweetie

1473
01:01:02,160 --> 01:00:59,769
hopefully now before before we wrap up

1474
01:01:04,769 --> 01:01:02,170
the shows Steph and I must say a big

1475
01:01:07,170 --> 01:01:04,779
thing and a big congratulations for a

1476
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:07,180
big birthday you had our weekly and I

1477
01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:09,130
throw it on listeners I brought Stephin

1478
01:01:12,989 --> 01:01:10,900
the present you did you think I I

1479
01:01:14,759 --> 01:01:12,999
actually turned five because you've

1480
01:01:16,529 --> 01:01:14,769
given me a big bunch of marshmallows

1481
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,539
over there long twisty marshman yeah

1482
01:01:20,970 --> 01:01:18,160
that's right i mean 10 of them each

1483
01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:20,980
which makes 5 times 10 good check it out

1484
01:01:24,450 --> 01:01:22,329
it didn't notice this when i bought it

1485
01:01:26,489 --> 01:01:24,460
they're fat-free england learn for it

1486
01:01:29,069 --> 01:01:26,499
are they vaccination for it i wonder

1487
01:01:32,130 --> 01:01:29,079
that's less wonder i've got ten sticks

1488
01:01:34,410 --> 01:01:32,140
of marshmallow for each of my five years

1489
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,420
that I would normally be if I really ate

1490
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:36,880
things like this so thank you very much

1491
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:39,609
happy birthday me oh it's it's swell

1492
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:43,569
it's depressing that was good it's great

1493
01:01:48,380 --> 01:01:45,730
and it's it's great to just be here part

1494
01:01:50,729 --> 01:01:48,390
of the zone again for another year yeah

1495
01:01:51,989 --> 01:01:50,739
let's just keep it going I think we

1496
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,999
should end there give me some exciting

1497
01:01:56,009 --> 01:01:53,680
reports coming up from all around the

1498
01:01:58,140 --> 01:01:56,019
world soon because you are get your

1499
01:02:00,839 --> 01:01:58,150
heading off so yeah sure to Munich and

1500
01:02:04,019 --> 01:02:00,849
then Oslo then Manchester than the Czech

1501
01:02:05,489 --> 01:02:04,029
Republic I'll try to I'll take my

1502
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,499
microphone and thank you listeners by

1503
01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:07,599
the way I really should mention that I

1504
01:02:11,549 --> 01:02:09,400
said a couple of weeks ago I bought our

1505
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:11,559
report at travis roy a new microphone or

1506
01:02:14,729 --> 01:02:13,210
issued angsting contributions by the

1507
01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:14,739
listeners your money goes back into the

1508
01:02:19,289 --> 01:02:17,380
show and I thought this is a really nice

1509
01:02:21,749 --> 01:02:19,299
microphone so i bought myself the same

1510
01:02:23,999 --> 01:02:21,759
one it's a zoom h1 it's a great little

1511
01:02:26,819 --> 01:02:24,009
microphone we're using it now so i

1512
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:26,829
always have one a good night ready for

1513
01:02:30,089 --> 01:02:28,450
reports and just knee thing that happen

1514
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:30,099
yeah yeah and it's actually talking

1515
01:02:32,999 --> 01:02:31,450
about right now it's pretty nifty

1516
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:33,009
because it's just got this one that you

1517
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,480
set it up but then it's just cuz it's

1518
01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:35,920
one button just get bang yeah and

1519
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:38,920
recording the quality is lovely so just

1520
01:02:42,420 --> 01:02:40,809
this is reminding our listeners that

1521
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:42,430
when they chip in a little bit for the

1522
01:02:46,410 --> 01:02:44,529
skeptic zone it goes into you know

1523
01:02:49,289 --> 01:02:46,420
putting it together and putting it on

1524
01:02:51,539 --> 01:02:49,299
him but it also goes into really

1525
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,549
valuable equipment that we use so thank

1526
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:52,960
you very much thank you very much indeed

1527
01:02:57,329 --> 01:02:55,569
um I haven't got anything personally

1528
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:57,339
myself so if anyone wants to send a bit

1529
01:03:00,550 --> 01:02:58,090
more money

1530
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:00,560
I won't spend on equipment i'll probably

1531
01:03:05,650 --> 01:03:02,690
buy champagne and red wine with a bit

1532
01:03:08,380 --> 01:03:05,660
are you sure I i said i'm exhausted dies

1533
01:03:10,450 --> 01:03:08,390
i need to relax a great show another

1534
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:10,460
great time thanks listeners and Richard

1535
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:13,370
we will see you again very soon yeah and

1536
01:03:19,030 --> 01:03:16,400
even hopefully we'll be getting a big

1537
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:19,040
reveal on the on the mystery mr. Freeman

1538
01:03:23,650 --> 01:03:21,410
here's the thingy that's why me up soon

1539
01:03:26,170 --> 01:03:23,660
that's the question what is solar flare

1540
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:26,180
what is all of their I don't know I'm

1541
01:03:29,370 --> 01:03:27,110
going to wonder about that all week

1542
01:03:36,460 --> 01:03:29,380
Stefan Richard we'll see you next time

1543
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:36,470
why you've been listening to the skeptic

1544
01:03:45,220 --> 01:03:41,450
zone visit our website at www skeptics